錦兒：我在很多年前做了一個椅子，現(xiàn)在放在工體的紫云軒，特別的高，坐在這個地方是90度折上去。當時做的時候覺得不錯挺好看，但是要多高呢？那就高，再高，再高。后來坐的時候很不舒服，我當時覺得沒關系，好看就可以了，舒不舒服無所謂，不舒服這樣坐也可以。中國民式的椅子坐的時候講究端莊，但是很不舒服，但是我想最起碼顧一頭就夠了。當時有一個索尼 的設計師跟我說，這個椅子很漂亮但是很不舒服，我說，沒關系，忍一會吧，反正也就兩個小時就走了。他說，我知道你不是設計師，但是我想和你分享一下我做設計的感受，他是在日本工作的一個歐洲人，他說，我覺得作為一個設計師，一定要把情感放進去，這個情感就是愛；當時我沒有孩子，他有兩個孩子，我當時想這可能是我們的代溝。我說，哦，謝謝你，要把愛放進去。

后來陸陸續(xù)續(xù)隨著發(fā)展做了一些東西，后來我就有了孩子，現(xiàn)在我的小孩經(jīng)常被門加了手，從椅子上掉下來，被什么東西夾著腳，都是被我做的東西。我們有一個滑著鏡子的門，非常好看，關上以后是一體的，我覺得太漂亮了。一定不能讓把手影響這個門，所以沒有做把手，所以小孩經(jīng)常被門夾到手。所以我覺得我們無論做任何設計，心里面一定要有愛，有關懷有體貼，再美再好的東西，如果在生活上沒有情感，可能在生活上是不實用的。背負我們的使命，我想借這樣一個機會跟大家分享一個這樣的一個小的心得。

翁菱：很感人。我相信幾位設計師都是又有愛，又有理想的人。藝術家，在東，我相信他對中國的傳統(tǒng)文化和中國文人的生活方式，在今天是一個實踐者。

鄭在東：我大概講一下，文人的生活跟工匠的關系。17世紀，李漁寫了一本《閑情偶記》，里面講了非常多的生活情趣，包括怎么樣建筑？怎么樣蓋一堵墻？它的窗花應該怎么樣做，甚至包括了桌椅和衣服，所以他完全是非常生活的角度。雖然他是一個平凡之士，沒有辦法像達官貴人那樣，但是他很強調(diào)這個美感是他可以達到的。我覺得我們現(xiàn)在很幸運，生活在現(xiàn)代的中國，我們現(xiàn)在還有非常好的傳統(tǒng)工匠，他可以和你配合做很多的東西，比如說我和華弌兄想好好做一只毛筆，那這個工匠就能好好配合和我們一起做一只毛筆。

所以從你的衣食住行，包括從你穿的衣服，到你家的用具，到你的器物，全部可以和工匠搭配在做，所以他和真正的設計觀點有一點點不同。我想讓更多的人參與和工匠的配合。剛剛周老師講的就是，這個東西我們有很多的時間了，我們有很多時間和他溝通，他解決我們所有技術的問題，我們提出想要的美感。日本在上個世紀五十年代他們有一個民意運動，這個運動最重要的就是讓很多藝術家對傳統(tǒng)的藝匠所擁有的經(jīng)驗中，從他們里面吸取了很多的元素，這個東西最后慢慢產(chǎn)生了一種力量，我想談很多大理論可能不能解決我們所要講的細致問題，我想要從我們的個人化，每種不同范疇的人都要去用他的想法，用他的理念做點不同的東西，這個最重要的第一個就是我們保留了我們很好的工匠，假如說這些工匠都在我們工業(yè)的生產(chǎn)線上的話，那是我們的悲哀，謝謝。

翁菱：李先生在這方面也是一個非常有發(fā)言權的創(chuàng)造者。

李景漢：I can talk about the designer, the industrial designer, like XiaoYong say,from 20 years of user. Those are important. The user, but also the client,someone who are looking at the design because I am looking for design can push forward a certain goal or certain purposes. I think that relates to what Rosanna were talking about that I think a great design, or great designer or products are very initial stages. They are looking in the process of problem solving.

We are trying to addressing issue, solving the technical issue, using technology or conceptually you are trying to deal with something. I mean, look at the Ball House design, they are conceptual and philosophical but also very, very specific problem solving they were doing. That was the amazing around history. so it is purpose driving, I think, design ,designer, architect, I think we are in a situation now in China, as we talking about creating in China is did that mean. I think it is huge issue for China, I load proper here, the Ipad, we look on the back of Ipad, it is created in America, the USA, the sampled in China, what did that mean? I think it means the huge statement or the statement that the situation that we were in. Maybe it is errocians, I don’t know it meaning. I think it was interested in discussing. But created in America and sampled, not made in China, but sampled in China. I was act in Expo in Shanghai .I have been couple of pervious. I went to the GM Shanghai Automotive. They had a nice show on history of the car and design of the car and that car fits to even the Chinese social society in Shanghai. That was the presentation in the future of the car .But the car conceptually changed the whole consequent of driven changed, the whole consequent of relationship with car changed. But the most important is the technology of the car and the whole roads changed. The interested was there are two concept cars. One developed by GM, designed, created by GM and went by Shanghai Automotive. The GM car has no more engines, totally badly driven and whole chase suspension and the different ways in the northe, the safety requirement and body requirement are all changed.

So, that was the problem. From that of issue, for that design of point, so what does this of car look like? While you don’t need engine, you don’t need traditional suspension have on the car, you don’t need transmission, so how do you design the car like this? You have to meet the technology, you have to be very forward and you have to create something. But along the lines, you are using what the new technology, the future technology are thoughly absurd. The GM are very interesting, the little concept of car.it looks like a little halmet, very small, very comfortable stand right. It doesn’t look like a car but it is an actual functional car, totally bad driven and . the Shanghai Automotive car, the concept of the car are look like a car.waht more interesting was it had no technolygy.this was at the Expo Shanghai. The Shanghai Automotive Industry totally like a car. Maybe I don’t understand it. But it was real a functional car.so ,what’s the problem here? I think that we have to look at it.if we want to talk about creat in china,is the whole issue of concept of design, the desplin the reasreach,and then the appiration of that into something that was real and address of critical issues.i found the earlier very interesting and I found it fasnating.i think people on this panel are more closer to archeture and buildings and . but that one statement I thought was interesting.maybe my Chinese is not that good that something that maybe I am not heard, that the ittanution of beween the designer and user。